.50 Knight DISC Elite
Mon Sep 08, 2008
Picked up a used Knight
DISC Elite in .50 cal over Labor Day at a gun show. I've shot
muzzleloaders for over 20 years but have only dabbled with a
I really only intend to use this rifle as
a better long-range whitetail option in Michigan's shotgun
zone than a slug gun. I have a nice Browning A-bolt but I'm
tired of paying $12-20/box for 5 shells. I figure with an
inline I can afford to experiment a lot more to find a combo
that will do a little better than 3" @ 100, which is the best
I've done with the A-Bolt and 2 3/4" Hornady 300gr SSTs.
I really became intrigued with the idea of an inline
when I read about BH 209 on this very forum. I like the
non-corrosive properties of the powder and the idea that it
can go without cleaning during the hunting season.
I've probably got about 50 shots through
this rifle so far. All with 100gr BH209. My best results are
about 1 1/2" @100yds with a 250gr SST in either either the
supplied red, 3-petal "low-drag" or a short, black MMP sabot
and Remington STS 209s(in the red FPJ).
You can see from my bench above that I can
probably improve accuracy just by shooting from a solid
platform but I'm too lazy to drag a picnic table across the
farm. Shooting around the weeds and through the corn might
not be the most conducive to shooting great groups either but
it certainly better hunting practice.
My only real concern at this point is some
of the hang-fires I've experienced. Even worse than a
traditional hang-fire IMO. More like a real slow burn of the
powder with not recoil. First time it happened I pulled the
bolt to make sure the bullet was out!
Since then I've
read(probably on this forum) that BH 209 is sensitive to
loading pressure. After I read that, I made this nifty
palm-saver from a failed longbow I tried to build a few years
back. I also robbed the T/C replacement ramrod from my
Renegade and bought a T/C loading tip/jag designed to fit
spire points like the SST. With this improvised range-rod I
can put some serious pressure(also consistant) on each load.
I also tried some CCI 209M primers but my
groups seemed to open up to nearly 3" with 100gr BH 209, 250
SST, and MMP short-black sabots. I've went back to the
Remington standard 209s and have had no ignition problems with
firm loading pressure.
Here is a pic with the 209M in
the two groups on the right and Rem STS the two groups on the
left. I called a flyer on the low shot far left that's why the
I've done all my shooting with the red FPJs
and standard plug but I have a non-FPJ plug on order from
I have no plans to give up the enjoyment I
get from hefting my Lyman GPR during the December muzzy season
here in MI. I truly love shooting traditional muzzleloaders
and have resisted inlines for a long time. I finally realized
that if I was going to shoot sabots I might as well use a
platform that didn't tie me to a manufacturers offering but
rather gave me the option to tinker a little and not go
completely broke in the process.
Wed Sep 10, 2008
Got my N-FPJ plug today that I ordered
Sunday night from Midsouth. That's quick turn-a-round!
I had a heck of a time getting the spent primers out.
I had Rem STS 209s and they blew back into the firing pin hole
enough to hang them up. I was able to dry fire once to cave
them back in and the they would fall out. It was either that
or take the bolt out. Anyone else have this problem? I still
had crud in the chamber area from the FPJ plug so a little
cleaning might help. Seems like more guys use CCI and W-W
209s. Would they hold up a little better or are they just more
readily available? I also have CCI 209Ms on hand but they
really blew out when I shot them with the FPJs so I figured
they would be worse and accuracy dropped off noticably.
The real nice thing was that the plug was pretty clean
compared to the FPJ and there were zero ignition issues.
Also shot some 200gr T/C shockwaves. About 1.5" @ 100.
100gr BH 209.
Fri Sep 19, 2008
That's good to hear
revpilot. I've also aquired a non-FPJ plug and several brands
of 209s including the W-W, CCI 209M, Fed 209A. I've had
exactly zero problems with ignition with the combination of
the non-FPJ and firm seating pressure while loading with BH
209. I'll likely do some more testing with the hotter primers
and go with them if the accuracy is still there.
some issues with Remington STS 209s hanging in the non-FPJ but
no problem at all with W-W 209.
I don't see any reason
to doubt the SST. I'm hunting with either 200 or 250gr. I've
killed deer for years with round balls and Maxi-balls. Had
some shooter failure but no bullet failures.
Fri Sep 19, 2008
Last weekend's rainy day project was
building this bench to try and improve my groups a little. I
think I'll name it Ike!
Date Sep 20, 2008
Did some more shooting this
afternoon. Looks like I'm sticking with the 200gr SWs.
Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:16 pm
Buttoning up my testing for
the year. Bow season starts next weekend. I'm pretty well set
with the 200gr SW, 100gr BH209, and W209.
I wanted to
get 100 and 200 yard groups on the same target and chronograph
my load. Pretty breezy day with 5-10 mph variable winds
quartering from behind. The effects of the wind are pretty
obvious at 200 and even 1/2" or so to the right at 100.
I'm getting 1850fps for a 3 shot average with the
chrony 10' from the muzzle. Lower than what I've seen in other
posts so I checked my 20 year-old brass measure. 100g by
volume = 68.8gr by weight. Sounds about right.
Sun Oct 12, 2008
Went to shoot a little more
today for a final tune-up and some testing. I was really just
planning on testing some .452 cast bullets in sabots(shows
promise!). I figured I should shoot my hunting load at least
once while I was at it.
I've been pretty well set with
a 200gr SW, 100gr BH209, and a W209. Turned in a 2" group @100
which is about right as this load has been a consistent 1-2"
performer. I've only been able to get 2-3" with 250 and 300gr
I decided to try 110 vs. 100gr of BH209 with
the 200gr Shockwave. Also went with some Federal 209As as well
just because I hadn't tried them yet. I normally wouldn't
change two variables at once but I'm glad I did because I cut
my average group size in half! I shot 3 groups with this
combo. .75", .79", and .80". Needless to say that is more than
sufficient for me(for now) and while shooting those groups I
adjusted the scope so that I'm sighted in with this load.
Clocked in at 1964 fps before a stray sabot
destroyed my make-shift, plastic chrono shield and put a hole
in the Chrony.